So Al-Jamal (who was in charge of the revision of the constitution and is deputy prime minister) was talking to the correspondent of Al-Arabiyyah (the news station of the brother-in-law of King Fahd and is run by his son) was talking about democracy challenges in Egypt. And he started to talk about the sinister Israeli role and that Israel does not want Egypt to have a democracy. The correspondent started showing displeasure especially when Al-Jamal talked about dirty Israeli hands in Egypt. The correspondent interrupted: but we don't want to accuse people here of treason. Al-Jamal said: but Israel has its tools here.