tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post6423073074837765491..comments2008-03-26T16:09:11.290-07:00As'adnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-8376858487258170412008-03-26T16:09:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:09:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:09:00.000-07:00The Saudi King is a coward and a traitor.<BR/><BR/>This guy and his mafia is selling Arab lives for oil to the US government.<BR/><BR/>The Saudi Mafia is not wahabi because if they were they would have severed their relationship with the US government and threatened an oil embargo if Iraq was invaded<BR/><BR/>The Wahabi, on top of their religious orthodoxy, are known to be fiercely independent and rebellious.<BR/><BR/>Where is the rebellion in Saudi Arabia??<BR/><BR/>NONE. NADA.<BR/><BR/>They are ALL ASLEEP while their OIL IS USED TO FINANCE THIS WAR THAT HAS KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE.<BR/><BR/>Cut the oil off and the war will end.Moroccannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-7910489893148852952008-03-26T12:35:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:35:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:35:00.000-07:00Many attempts at gathering groups of Muslims,Christians,and Jews ,be they clerics or otherwise,have failed to produce the ever elusive goals of those who sponsor such events.Their success was limited to reciprocating compliments and pleasantries among those in attendance,coupled with some personal gains on the sidelines.Hence,the question as to why these attempts failed to produce more substantial and meaningful results is not only justified but also very essential if the relations between the followers of these faiths are to take on some form of truce if not total peace.Following is my take on the issue.<BR/><BR/>Only a fool would say that any of the three faiths,Islam or Christianity or Judaism,does hold a monopoly on tolerance or lack of it.True scholars admit that when it comes to tolerance,each and every one of these faiths is,to use a layman's term,"a mixed bag".<BR/>It contains as much of the "virtue" as it does of the "vice".This being the case,it is up to the followers to pick and choose.And followers at any one time in any one society will pick and choose what is best suited for their own needs,being tolerant at one time and being intolerant on another.It is very obvious then to all ,except those who are not blinded by bigotry and hatred and preconceived ideas,that what we are dealing with here is a very dynamic process which is constantly changing.This conclusion means that the matter being discussed becomes much more complicated for crackpots with "small minds" to deal with or understand,However,the same conclusion opens up a huge window for hope.This hope lay in the presumption that those who hold the power,on both sides of the divide,are solely interested in and actively seeking the fulfillment of their people's true and real needs,and that they are also interested in doing the right thing towards others in order to stem the roots for the present conflict with them.Sadly,none of these preconditions are anywhere to be found at this time.And until these conditions become a reality,meetings will be held and niceties will be exchanged,but the conflict will rage on and on.<BR/><BR/>As we all know,the most important of all needs for all societies at all times is the need to SURVIVE.Every other value dwarfs by comparison.Hence,to ask a society to be tolerant when its survival is at stake, just because tolerance is trendy and fashionable among those who face no existential dangers of any kind,is not only ridiculous but also will not be listened to,let alone be heeded.<BR/><BR/>In my respectful submission,I dare say that,with few exceptions,the whole Muslim World is trying to SURVIVE.Having been robbed of lands and resources in the past,it is facing the same threat yet again.However,this time the attcak is much more ferocious, because the final aim is not only to satisfy the attackers greed for Muslim lands and resources,but to satisfy their bigotry and hate for Muslim identity as well.And as if Muslims did not have enough to contend with,the attackers are being helped from the enemy within their midst too.Their own rulers,handpicked by the attackers and/or supported by them are doing all what they can to suppress and sabotage all the defense effort.No wonder then that Muslims are forced to use the only weapon in their arsenal to fend off the onslaught,namely their own faith.It is the sort of weapon that has been tested several times in the past and its reliability and effectiveness is assured.How far are Muslims prepared to go depends entirely on the attackers will to back off,reconsider,and make make amends that will ease Muslim fears and redress their grievances.<BR/><BR/>If history teaches us anything,it is clear that Muslims reached the zenith of tolerance when their survival and prosperity were assured.Anything less will draw from them not only a a less tolerant response but a hostile one too.Finally,I shall borrow Hannah Arendt's words and paraphrase by saying "using force against muslims,hoping that they will submit, is the least effective of all weapons",and that is a fact that attackers can chew on for as long or as short as they wish.<BR/>Muslims have all the time in the world.libnaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-46005543813815692462008-03-26T02:11:00.000-07:002008-03-26T02:11:00.000-07:002008-03-26T02:11:00.000-07:00no, it is the equivalent of Bush calling for interfaith dialogue with Islam and religious tolerance - <BR/>can't they think straight in academia any more, professor<BR/>Goebbels would have had to call for a conference on mixed marriage to be out of characterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-61757443356210208222008-03-25T22:37:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:37:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:37:00.000-07:00Salam Bin Fahd Al''Ouda <BR/><BR/>that was a typo, I meant<BR/><BR/>Salman Bin Fahd Al-'Oudaorbitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-60794120757765694862008-03-25T22:34:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:34:00.000-07:002008-03-25T22:34:00.000-07:00I agree Junaid.<BR/><BR/>While 'liberal' is a bit of a stretch here, we can say more 'liberal' relative to the state sanctioned body of 'Ulema. <BR/><BR/>Already, there are a plethora of more 'liberal' wahabi scholars, or what they call Salafi Islahi (reformist salafi), who have become very popular, especially amongst the younger generation of the religious. Examples -- Salman Bin Fahd Al 'Oda, who appears regularly on MBC and 'Aed Al-Qarni. Both have offered dialogue with other sects, specifically the Shi'a, and the latter visited Iran.<BR/><BR/>While this may seem nothing to the outsider, but just go back a decade, and that would have been unthinkable. <BR/><BR/>It is interesting to note that the Salafi reformists started out more 'radical' than the state Salafis. They emerged at the time of the Buraydah riots (early 90s) and arose to critique the presence of American troops in Saudi and the 'permissiveness' of daily life in Saudi, with a special criticism of the state media (newspapers and television). Alot of their points may have triggered agreement with the state sanctioned Ulema, but they were far more quietest, and believed private naseeha (or advice) to be the correct manner to bring about change (based on their theological convictions).<BR/><BR/>At the height of the crisis, both leaders of this groups, Salam Bin Fahd Al''Ouda and Safer Al-Hawali were imprisoned. Both were released towards the end of the 90s, and since then both have changed. Salam Bin Fahd Al-'Ouda become accepted, got his own telvision show, and has openly called for things that were unthinkable in the past. It goes without saying that appearing on Saudi owned media, and calling for this message shows that they have returned to favour...why? I think alot of it goes down to the power politics within the House of Saud. More importantly keeping the religious youth in check, who have always been a threat to the stability of the kingdom.<BR/><BR/>It is also interesting to note that there are a whol group of liberal literati who are supported by the royal family, again I would think for similar reasons. <BR/><BR/>The House of Saud only care about one thing -- POWER!orbitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-67901282949106021392008-03-25T21:41:00.000-07:002008-03-25T21:41:00.000-07:002008-03-25T21:41:00.000-07:00As'ad bhai: I disagree with your sentiment here. I don't think the Saudi King is so ideological at all that he'd be opposed to fashionable liberal interfaith dialogue craze; whatever keeps him in power and his masters in Washington happy. Strict Wahhabiyah has served the interests of the House of Saud very well over the past many decades. Maybe a "reformed Wahhabiyah" is what's needed for their rule/interests now -- although of course it will alienate all of those clerics that have greated legitimacy to the kingdom.junaidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-7450352993119775012008-03-25T21:25:00.000-07:002008-03-25T21:25:00.000-07:002008-03-25T21:25:00.000-07:00Midshit,<BR/><BR/>Please come and play mohel on me. I promise I will pretend to be your uncle since judeofascists love da uncle cack :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-87498326079259013622008-03-25T20:46:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:46:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:46:00.000-07:00...is akin to a call by Goebbels for a conference on tolerance ... or a call by Midwest for a conference on racial tolerance:<BR/><A HREF="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2007/07/i-believe-that-israels-rebirth-in-1948.html#c3868584223915658398" REL="nofollow">I moved out of the black majority area in which I used to live, and have never been bothered since.</A><BR/><BR/>“never been bothered since?” Ha! Ha! I wonder why? Could the following provide any insights, perhaps? - <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-saw-sari-nusaybah-nuseibeh-on-al.html#c1395320584648399830" REL="nofollow">North American civilization was in fact built by white people. If you prefer brown-people or black-people civilizations, go live in Venezuela or Zimbabwe or Yemen. We won't miss you.</A><BR/><BR/>...or respect for women:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2008/03/people-in-cars-driving-by-often-stop.html#c5948439305548558130" REL="nofollow">Someone ought to tell them: after age 30 the market value of pussy declines, even faster than that of new cars.</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2008/03/people-in-cars-driving-by-often-stop.html#c73559554277677454" REL="nofollow">Midwest said... If the article is about the woman pictured, she needn't worry about "modesty." As we say back home: She couldn't get laid on a battleship.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-74289283738717736452008-03-25T20:22:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:22:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:22:00.000-07:00Given that Herr Goebbels is dead, it would be startling if he called for anything at all.Midwestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-4068291118566300002008-03-25T20:17:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:17:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:17:00.000-07:00the King suggested Bin Laden to head the conference...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-88483422089050965972008-03-25T20:09:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:09:00.000-07:002008-03-25T20:09:00.000-07:00some muslims think the pope is hiding his islam, i think the saudi king /quee*s are hiding their crosses and their pigs.bar-baranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-55536096851983610552008-03-25T19:49:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:49:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:49:00.000-07:00Its also akin to a call by Jeremiah Wright for a conference on race in America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-83274307171761629842008-03-25T19:12:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:12:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:12:00.000-07:00I think it's a positive step. He also needs to open up the kingdom to churches and synagogues! Let the free will of people guide them!jon murltnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5785362.post-88211392187203317422008-03-25T19:06:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:06:00.000-07:002008-03-25T19:06:00.000-07:00Anyone who says Islam is not a Religion of Peace will be beheaded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com